tripper_dave
Member II
Anybody know if there are drawings available fo the ruddr for the 30-2?
Rudder drawings for 30-2
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tripper_dave
Member II
I need a new rudder due to a haulout mishap.... ours is now snapped in two.
Foss has the rudder mold for the 30-2? That is awesome. I will contact them tomorrow.
I was looking for the drawings thinking that I would need to get a new one built at Phil's Foils.
FOSS should be able to
I am 90% sure they can just build one for you.
Do you have the broken one? If so, and if Foss cannot, send it to Choate. He can build one exactly the same, or a better idea: let him do something which will fit but be better with a more modern shape. He is kind of an artist, so if he says he has an idea which will be better and you can afford the price (he is usually quite reasonable), don't ask too many questions and let him do his thing-you will be glad you did.
Good luck
I am 90% sure they can just build one for you.
Do you have the broken one? If so, and if Foss cannot, send it to Choate. He can build one exactly the same, or a better idea: let him do something which will fit but be better with a more modern shape. He is kind of an artist, so if he says he has an idea which will be better and you can afford the price (he is usually quite reasonable), don't ask too many questions and let him do his thing-you will be glad you did.
Good luck
Dencho has done extensive work on my last two boats, and I can highly recommend Dennis and his guys, but if you don’t have deep pockets, you'd better set some limits up front.
A couple of quotes (paraphrased) from the man, or his man:</SPAN>
After seeing a 70 foot racer in the shop for a couple of months, I ask, ‘when you gonna be done with that boat?’ Dencho responds, 'When it leaves the yard.'
And a quote that doesn’t require parsing: 'every boat leaves here faster than when it arrived.'
I can attest to the truthfulness of both statements. Dencho is the best speed shop in SoCal. But don't think you'll get outta there cheap. These guys are used to dealing with big projects and budgets.
On the other hand, times are tough all over, especially for high end boat builders. So you might be able to work a deal...</SPAN>
A couple of quotes (paraphrased) from the man, or his man:</SPAN>
After seeing a 70 foot racer in the shop for a couple of months, I ask, ‘when you gonna be done with that boat?’ Dencho responds, 'When it leaves the yard.'
And a quote that doesn’t require parsing: 'every boat leaves here faster than when it arrived.'
I can attest to the truthfulness of both statements. Dencho is the best speed shop in SoCal. But don't think you'll get outta there cheap. These guys are used to dealing with big projects and budgets.
On the other hand, times are tough all over, especially for high end boat builders. So you might be able to work a deal...</SPAN>
Great quotes
A perfect description of Dennis!:0 By most reports though, his prices are always very reasonable..
A perfect description of Dennis!:0 By most reports though, his prices are always very reasonable..
tenders
Innocent Bystander
Not to diminish Dennis in any way, but you are in eastern Canada, not California. From Toronto you are going to be hard-pressed to solve your rudder problem more easily or less expensively than you can with a model-specific rebuild from Foss. There's a good chance they've improved on the original design too, as they have for my E-32. Your season is probably done for all intents and purposes at this point, but you could quite possibly have the new Foss rudder in your hands and mounted on the boat before Thanksgiving.
Maybe
Assumiong FOSS has the blank for this rudder (I think they do), and he wants to stay with the orignal shape, you might be right.
The fact is that several members have had Choate do this work pretty quick and at comparable prices, with arguably better results because he will make the rudder a bit more modern while he is at it.
Both are good options since you have the off-season to get it done, and it is worth looking closely at both before deciding.
S
Assumiong FOSS has the blank for this rudder (I think they do), and he wants to stay with the orignal shape, you might be right.
The fact is that several members have had Choate do this work pretty quick and at comparable prices, with arguably better results because he will make the rudder a bit more modern while he is at it.
Both are good options since you have the off-season to get it done, and it is worth looking closely at both before deciding.
S
Another way to look at the situation would be to compare the cost of shipping the old rudder parts to DC, on the chance that the shaft and armature can be (mostly) reused.
If not, you're out the cost of shipping... which might be a fraction of the cost to produce all new parts from scratch.
That may or may not be cost-effective, but some consult time with the rudder builder might clarify things a lot.
Achieving a "more modern" shape might be a great thing, too. Contrast rudders designed in the late 70's with the eliptical foil on our '88 boat - our foil is still very "current."
LB
If not, you're out the cost of shipping... which might be a fraction of the cost to produce all new parts from scratch.
That may or may not be cost-effective, but some consult time with the rudder builder might clarify things a lot.
Achieving a "more modern" shape might be a great thing, too. Contrast rudders designed in the late 70's with the eliptical foil on our '88 boat - our foil is still very "current."
LB
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tripper_dave
Member II
Reply from Foss
Thnaks for all the advice.
Heard back from Foss
The boat was damaged at haulout. Our season isn't essentially over, it's over. Period.
I want to get the rudder replaced and done right.
Note that this is a 30-2, it has an outboard rudder, which in some ways is a blessing as it is compaitaively easy to remove.
We the boat came down on the rudder the shaft attached to the steel frame was bent, I don't know if that can be rebuilt.
If I can't source a new rudder from the moulds, then my best bet is Phil's Foils (CCI Compsoites) up in Ottawa, as the shipping a customs won't be a problem.
Thnaks for all the advice.
Heard back from Foss
On 16-Oct-12, at 10:23 PM, bobwalker10@aol.com wrote:
Sorry we don't have those molds. Please send me a sketch of the outside dimensions of your rudder including the shaft diameter. We have over 300 molds. I will be happy to see if we have something that will work.
Thank you for your inquiry,
Bob "Al" Walker
www.newrudders.com
PH 352-529-1104
Fax 352-529-1106
Sorry we don't have those molds. Please send me a sketch of the outside dimensions of your rudder including the shaft diameter. We have over 300 molds. I will be happy to see if we have something that will work.
Thank you for your inquiry,
Bob "Al" Walker
www.newrudders.com
PH 352-529-1104
Fax 352-529-1106
The boat was damaged at haulout. Our season isn't essentially over, it's over. Period.
I want to get the rudder replaced and done right.
Note that this is a 30-2, it has an outboard rudder, which in some ways is a blessing as it is compaitaively easy to remove.
We the boat came down on the rudder the shaft attached to the steel frame was bent, I don't know if that can be rebuilt.
If I can't source a new rudder from the moulds, then my best bet is Phil's Foils (CCI Compsoites) up in Ottawa, as the shipping a customs won't be a problem.
Are there two companies using the name "foss"?
http://www.boatrudder.com/
This one sez that they have Ericson molds.
http://www.boatrudder.com/
This one sez that they have Ericson molds.
tripper_dave
Member II
Are there two companies using the name "foss"?
http://www.boatrudder.com/
This one sez that they have Ericson molds.
Interesting..... there are two companies that show up when you Google Foss, the one you point to is in SoCal
The one I corresponded with is in FLA.
I will try http://www.boatrudder.com/
Hi Dave,
I'm guessing the rudder rebuild on a transom hung rudder is quite different than a spade rudder. Shipping might be more. You might be better off getting it done locally.
David on Emerald rebuilt the transom hung rudder on his E31i, thought you might be interested in this http://home.comcast.net/~independence31/rudder/rudder-intro.html
I'm guessing the rudder rebuild on a transom hung rudder is quite different than a spade rudder. Shipping might be more. You might be better off getting it done locally.
David on Emerald rebuilt the transom hung rudder on his E31i, thought you might be interested in this http://home.comcast.net/~independence31/rudder/rudder-intro.html
tenders
Innocent Bystander
You want the SoCal Foss. They were the original rudder builders of most boats that were built in California, including Ericson. As I understand the story, they are related genetically and were once related businesswise, but they don't acknowledge each others' existence. There is more information about them on these forums.
Rudders
Socal Foss wouldbe the one to contact. If you strike out, you should really consider sending it to Dencho. You will probabaly end up with something better than the original. I can help you with contacts/intros at either place. Contact me offline via email..
Cheers,
S
Socal Foss wouldbe the one to contact. If you strike out, you should really consider sending it to Dencho. You will probabaly end up with something better than the original. I can help you with contacts/intros at either place. Contact me offline via email..
Cheers,
S