New headliner, re bed ports

[SpudE36RH]

Must say I am happy with the result
Sanded, sprayed and rolled KILZ primer.Used 3M77 to adhere foam to vinyl.
Tough to hold and mold the fabric in place with a large piece by yourself. Foam from flooring roll and marine vinyl leather look.Did the main cabin in 2 halves.Still to add mahogany wood strips ,trim back on and port handrail.

 

[Christian Williams]

Did you glue the vinyl to the foam first? Then adhere the foam-vinyl to the overhead?

 

[SpudE36RH]

Yes adhesive to foam then to vinyl and of course the coach roof.But you can adhere the foam to ceiling first which I also did.The below side deck were in Ottertex as pictured pre sprayed in my shop.

 

[Christian Williams]

I haven't heard of just this method, which sound like it works. And new ceiling is a challenge for many owners.

Is it possible to peel a section off, and then reseal it? If needed to change deck hardware, say. (I am able to peel back sections of the Ericson foam under my factory stretched vinyl headliner).

 

[SpudE36RH]

I had to do tedious x cut for nut /bolts that protruded.For deck organizers I made a slice that runs the length of them but cut small circles around the acorn nuts.For the genny track numerois ones Iwill leave a gap the whole way the width of the square washers.Only 1.5 inches will be exposed for whole track and not really an eyesore- when I get to it.Mast wiring was put back in place and fastened. Main concern was fixing all sources of leaks from above.When I get back from vacation I will remove the companionway hatch and investigate caulking.In meantime boom tarp will suffice any issues. I re-bedded the main hatch and finally got an adjuster arm for it- no more wood props!Glad to have all opening ports back sealed and functional again with new mesh.
John

 

[Eddie 169]

Did you glue the vinyl to the foam first? Then adhere the foam-vinyl to the overhead?

I am trying to figure out doing a new headliner for my 1984 Ericson 35-3, located in Marina del Rey. I have no headliner at all anywhere in my 1984 Ericson 35-3, The previous owner removed all of it exposing the fiberglass and deck hardware fasteners. The headliner in Thelonius II looks great in the videos and I think I saw zippers!. Not sure where exactly to start, I am guessing find a kit which so far does not seem to exist, find a specialist, or do it myself, start measuring and getting Any ideas and experience to share would be appreciated!

 

[Eddie 169]

Must say I am happy with the result
Sanded, sprayed and rolled KILZ primer.Used 3M77 to adhere foam to vinyl.
Tough to hold and mold the fabric in place with a large piece by yourself. Foam from flooring roll and marine vinyl leather look.Did the main cabin in 2 halves.Still to add mahogany wood strips ,trim back on and port handrail.

How to you attach the headliner to the cabin top? I assume not glued, but perhaps stapled?

 

[Christian Williams]

Sorry to hear your vinyl headliner was entirely removed. It works well, has zippers to access all deck gear, and was a handsome solution that stood up well over time.

The raw overhead was cushioned by stick-on foam, for sound and a little insulation. The vinyl is stapled to stringers where possible, and the staples hidden by cosmetic battens. Where such battens didn't work, they reversed the vinyl over the staples. The vinyl is stretchy, so when done right it forms a smooth overhead, despite gravity.

However, I think some of the overhead was done before interior finishing. The overhead grab rails were added later, as were the rods to the chainplates in the difficult areas under the deck. I don't see how those installation subtleties can be duplicated on a finished boat.

To replace entire headliner appears to be a daunting job. Sewing machine skills required. Difficult patterning. Location and installation of the many very long zippers. Challenge of estimating stretch factors. Two-person installation with precision stapling in very awkward spaces.

I would start by inviting an upholsterer to view a similar Ericson, to see how the factory did it. Then give an estimate for your boat. The materials are not expensive, it's all skill and experience.

If it were me, I'd probably with come up with my own scheme--some vinyl, where it's easy. Other places, something else.

We have good blogs on interior ceiling carpentry, using wood and other materials, mostly for boats in the pre-vinyl era

Here're some headliner details
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[Loren Beach]

Past thread, with a nice photo of an owner-sewed header in a reply. You can learn about the extinct "Nauga" also.

Made from real naugas?

The upholstered plywood piece under my street my pedestal, in the roof on my aft cabin, was in pretty bad shape. The plywood was completely rotten. The upholstery pretty mold spotted in the foam backing and the staples rusted away to the point where I can really remove them. But the facing...

ericsonyachts.org

 

[Eddie 169]

Sorry to hear your vinyl headliner was entirely removed. It works well, has zippers to access all deck gear, and was a handsome solution that stood up well over time.

The raw overhead was cushioned by stick-on foam, for sound and a little insulation. The vinyl is stapled to stringers where possible, and the staples hidden by cosmetic battens. Where such battens didn't work, they reversed the vinyl over the stitches. The vinyl is stretchy, so when done right it forms a smooth overhead, despite gravity.

However, I think some of the overhead was done before interior finishing. The overhead grab rails were added later, as were the rods to the chainplates in the difficult areas under the deck. I don't see how those installation subtleties can be duplicated on a finished boat.

To replace entire headliner appears to be a daunting job. Sewing machine skills required. Difficult patterning. Location and installation of the many very long zippers. Challenge of estimating stretch factors. Two-person installation with precision stapling in very awkward spaces.

I would start by inviting an upholsterer to view a similar Ericson, to see how the factory did it. Then give an estimate for your boat. The materials are not expensive, it's all skill and experience.

If it were me, I'd probably with come up with my own scheme--some vinyl, where it's easy. Other places, something else.

We have good blogs on interior ceiling carpentry, using wood and other materials, mostly for boats in the pre-vinyl era

Here're some headliner details
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Thank you for comprehensive detail and pictures. I might have to skip the zippers, as being a bit technical. Your headliner looks great, and I am guessing all original. Self stick foam panels first and headliner vinyl in sections, stapled and overlaying wood trim sounds like a good way to go. Since the vinyl is stretchy, it might work to make cuts for the handholds and lights and pull it over and around tight. Worth a try!.

 

[dcoyle]

Looks amazing! Nice job!