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32-2 winterizing checklist?

ThatJeffGuy

Member II
I did get a pretty good list from the previous owner, what to use, what to put where, but there are always going to be weird loops in the plumbing that no one would ever think of that need to get filled with the pink stuff...

Has anyone made an inclusive winterizing checklist?

I am in the "it gets really damn cold" part of the country.
 

ThatJeffGuy

Member II
I did find this one...

Melissa,
I have a somewhat more conservative approach - maybe because I'm further north and it can get to 40-50 below where my boat is wintered. And this is probably after the fact, but for the record:

I would not use RV, potable water system antifreeze. I use the propylene glycol-based, (more eco-friendly) antifreeze meant for engine coolant and storage. It has corrosion inhibitors and is meant to be diluted to a desired protection temperature. You can't go by color - there are reds, greens and blues that are available. Make sure it is not the common auto antifreeze which is ethylene glcol-based.

As Loren says, there are two ways to winterize and although the original engine manual prescribes complete draining, many now suggest it is better to leave the engine full of antifreeze to reduce corrosion. The engine antifreeze also seems to be slightly lubricating to the water pump impeller blades.

I adjust my antifreeze mixture first, so I want to get out as much water as possible to prevent any additional dilution. Most of the water comes out when the rear drain tube is opened. This is the one back near the water pump. Even more water comes out there when the forward plug is removed - it evidently provides a venting action. I also remove the plugs on the manifold side, but very little water ever exits there.

I have winterized without removing the thermostat, but I do now because it makes me at least feel like the antifreeze is getting in there more freely and it also gives me a yearly look inside the cooling system. If there is some crud visible or feelable, it might be time to flush next season. If you do remove it, remember the two nuts holding it on are also acting as head bolts, so should be torqued to 35 ft-lbs if you intend to run the engine with it removed. I do run it with the t'stat removed and a clamp on the bypass hose when I draw in the antifreeze. As soon as some antifreeze comes out the exhaust, I spray fogging oil into the carb until the engine dies. I remove the spark plugs and add more fogging oil to each cylinder and manually crank the engine a couple of revolutions to distribute it before replacing the plugs.

I cover all openings (breather, carb, etc.) with aluminized plastic to keep any moisture out. I also plug the exhaust fitting on the transom. (Some people cover the distributor and loosen the alternator belt, but I have not done that.)

You don't say what type of muffler you have, but if it is the old standpipe style, I would try to drain that too. Sometimes access is difficult and I winterized several years without doing this so it may be overkill. (When I had a new standpipe made, I put an extra fitting at the bottom for draining - but then I also made a large cut-out in my quarterberth so I can get at it.)

If you have winterized with RV antifreeze, I would recommend testing the mixture now in the block. You will need an antifreeze tester specifically made for propylene glycol. If the -50 RV stuff is diluted even a small amount, it can really affect the protection temperature.

If you leave the engine intake valve closed as suggested above, make sure you have allowed it to drain first after hauling. I made that mistake once and had to replace the freeze-cracked valve in the spring in my slip by pulling the mast over until the intake was above the waterline. I just leave it open now.

This looks like it is from someone in my same neck of the woods as well (Walter Pearson), so that is a good thing. If he hadn't sold the boat in 2012 I could go meet him as I intend on sailing to that part of the lake next summer.
 

Loren Beach

O34 - Portland, OR
Senior Moderator
Blogs Author
Type of cooling system?

When an owner references complete draining and removing a T-stat, to me it reads like they must have a raw water cooled engine.
Lots to consider there, for getting water out of places it might freeze and break castings and fittings.

Most of us have "closed cooling systems" and this has multiple benefits. Under way, it allows for hotter engine temps, for one thing. Thus the 165 degrees we often talk about.

From the heat exchanger into and out of the total engine cooling passages and including all the hoses, the usual mixture of 50/50 coolant and water also provides antifreeze protection. The only limitation that I can think of offhand is that old and ancient engine "coolant" can lose some of its ability to protect against freezing. That's why it should be replaced every xx number of years.
(We do this sooner than a decade, but not on an absolute schedule.)

For general reference, our winter cold spells hardly ever go down below 20, and then only for a week or a bit longer, but last years we did see one 12 degrees night.

All of my efforts to antifreeze my raw-water side of the system, from engine thru-hull seacock thru the strainer, to the heat exchanger, to the water lift muffler, and then out the transom again, protect all of these outside water-filled components from breaking from water freezing / expanding.

Hope I am not talking this process to death, but I did want that to be clear.

Regards,
Loren
 
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tenders

Innocent Bystander
My list, raw-water Atomic Four:

Add gas to tank, treat with stabilizer/MMO
Warm up engine
Haul boat out
Lay down landscape fabric before placing cradle
Fog and antifreeze engine (I have no thermostat, a plugged bypass, and pump a gallon of pink RV antifreeze through entire system while fogging with spray fogging oil into the carb mouth)
Change oil
Winterize head
Drain and antifreeze FW system
Drain and clean bilges
Clean out fridge
Open shaft seal - limits accumulation that can freeze in bilge
Remove and seal deck cowling
Remove mainsail, boom, rigging, blocks, fairleads
Remove cushions
 

ThatJeffGuy

Member II
Thanks everyone!

It is the raw water cooled atomic 4, I am going to pull it out hopefully this week, and then I am going to get going on all of my winterizing, there are a lot of things here that I would not have thought about, but it is a raw water cooled A4, being on fresh water the 43 year old engine still runs like a top! Thanks!
 

tenders

Innocent Bystander
My list of items up to “change oil” are all done immediately after haul out so the engine is still warm. The rest take place whenever - usually the same day, but not necessarily.
 

GrandpaSteve

Sustaining Member
“the 43 year old engine still runs like a top!”

I’m not surprised, well cared for they are a reliable engine. Not well cared for there is Moyer Marine.
 

Bink

Member I
Raw water (salt) Diesel

Everyone-

I 've been reading the threads. As a new owner of an E-27 what step(s) do I add etc.. to winterize my Yanmar, Diesel, Raw (Salt) Water cooled engine?

Do I need to flush the system with fresh water?

Open the T stat?

I've never winterized before.

Thanks.

Bink
 

u079721

Contributing Partner
Here's my list from some years ago for an E38-200 (unfortunately the formatting didn't paste well)



Rag Doll Maintenance

Prior to Fall Haul-Out Day

Remove cruising gear and electronics
Remove sails + lazy jacks
Empty holding tank
Top off fuel (~90%)
Engine
With engine still cold:
Change Racor fuel filter (every other year)
Change engine fuel filter - bleed system
Replace antifreeze (every other year)
Loosen V Belt and check fresh water pump
Adjust V Belt tension
Warm up engine:
Spray engine with cleaner
Change oil
Change oil filter
Change trans oil (8 - 12 oz.)
Clean engine front and drip pan
Disconnect and bypass water heater (Tape over 110 V power switch)
Pump out water heater
Close engine water intake seacock, and check heat exchanger zinc
Clean water strainers (bilge, wash-down, shower) and strainer boxes (bilge and shower sumps)
Water System
Pump 1 gallon antifreeze through shower sump system
Pump starboard water dry
Pump port water tank dry
Add 3 gallons antifreeze to port water tank
Add two gallons antifreeze to starboard tank
Flush foot pump
Use port tank, and flush shower H+C (into sink)
Flush head sink H+C
Flush galley sink H+C
Switch to starboard tank, and flush galley
Pump out excess from each tank
Seawater (Washdown) System
Close seawater seacock
Add 3 gallons of antifreeze to icebox, open valves A and B
Pump some antifreeze with footpump
Pump fluid through both fore and aft outlets


After Boat Is In Well At Yard

Remove boom
Remove paddle wheel (clean)
Remove all turnbuckle split rings and fasten together
Loosen rigging
Remove cotter pins
Undo halyards
Loosen mast boot
Disconnect mast wires – undo and position coax connector above mast plate hole (tape in place)

Immediately After Haul-Out (And Mast Is Pulled)

 Have yard:
 Winterize engine
 Powerwash bottom
 Clean under lift straps
Cover rudder (to avoid sunlight)
Put in mast plug
Remove antenna, windex, and wind instrument
Remove spreaders and spreader boots
Powerwash batten cars on mast
Cover coax connector on mast
Wax mast
Wrap mast

Day After Haul-Out

Drain excess seawater antifreeze in icebox out through-hull
Flush head intake with antifreeze
Add about 1 gallon antifreeze through bowl
Pump bilge dry as possible
Remove bilge pump strainer box, attach adapter hose, and flush electric bilge pump with antifreeze
Flush manual bilge pump
Pump out any water by stuffing box
Remove engine impeller (drain extra antifreeze from hose)
Check engine hoses
Freshen (file and sand) shaft and prop zincs
Service Max Prop and cover with plastic bag
Open all seacocks
Remove any remaining gear that could freeze (caulk, battery water, epoxy), and clocks etc.
Cover mast and boom with plastic


Fall
Wax topsides and deck
Re-coat teak with Cetol gloss
Top off battery water
Hook up battery charger and equalize batteries
Check deck bolts and keel bolts
Clean mast base weep holes
Grease seacocks
Check steering cables and lube rudderpost
Cover boat with plastic

Spring

Replace engine impeller (new every other year)
Check fuel tank sump


Launch Day Preparation

Paint bottom (then cover rudder)
Un-cover boat
Rig fenders and lines
Put in paddle wheel + depth transducer
Load and/or charge batteries + check water level
Load essential gear
Have mast put out night before
Prep mast
Unwrap
Mount spreaders
Mount spreader boots
Sort out rigging
Apply rigging tape
Mount windex and antenna
Mount lazy jack leaders
Clean mast track with scotch bright pads (bring bucket) and lube mast cars with SAILKOTE


Launch Day

Bring Wind instrument for masthead

After Launch

Caulk under mast boot
Mount sails
Tune rig
Flush water tanks and reconnect water heater
Check all systems and electronics
Check manual bilge pump


Summer (Before Cruise)

Rebuild head (every other year)
Oil cabin woodwork
 

Bink

Member I
thanks

Thank you for the extensive list- are you raw water cooled? did you flush the system with fresh?

Thank you!



Rag Doll Maintenance

Prior to Fall Haul-Out Day

Remove cruising gear and electronics
Remove sails + lazy jacks
Empty holding tank
Top off fuel (~90%)
Engine
With engine still cold:
Change Racor fuel filter (every other year)
Change engine fuel filter - bleed system
Replace antifreeze (every other year)
Loosen V Belt and check fresh water pump
Adjust V Belt tension
Warm up engine:
Spray engine with cleaner
Change oil
Change oil filter
Change trans oil (8 - 12 oz.)
Clean engine front and drip pan
Disconnect and bypass water heater (Tape over 110 V power switch)
Pump out water heater
Close engine water intake seacock, and check heat exchanger zinc
Clean water strainers (bilge, wash-down, shower) and strainer boxes (bilge and shower sumps)
Water System
Pump 1 gallon antifreeze through shower sump system
Pump starboard water dry
Pump port water tank dry
Add 3 gallons antifreeze to port water tank
Add two gallons antifreeze to starboard tank
Flush foot pump
Use port tank, and flush shower H+C (into sink)
Flush head sink H+C
Flush galley sink H+C
Switch to starboard tank, and flush galley
Pump out excess from each tank
Seawater (Washdown) System
Close seawater seacock
Add 3 gallons of antifreeze to icebox, open valves A and B
Pump some antifreeze with footpump
Pump fluid through both fore and aft outlets


After Boat Is In Well At Yard

Remove boom
Remove paddle wheel (clean)
Remove all turnbuckle split rings and fasten together
Loosen rigging
Remove cotter pins
Undo halyards
Loosen mast boot
Disconnect mast wires – undo and position coax connector above mast plate hole (tape in place)

Immediately After Haul-Out (And Mast Is Pulled)

 Have yard:
 Winterize engine
 Powerwash bottom
 Clean under lift straps
Cover rudder (to avoid sunlight)
Put in mast plug
Remove antenna, windex, and wind instrument
Remove spreaders and spreader boots
Powerwash batten cars on mast
Cover coax connector on mast
Wax mast
Wrap mast

Day After Haul-Out

Drain excess seawater antifreeze in icebox out through-hull
Flush head intake with antifreeze
Add about 1 gallon antifreeze through bowl
Pump bilge dry as possible
Remove bilge pump strainer box, attach adapter hose, and flush electric bilge pump with antifreeze
Flush manual bilge pump
Pump out any water by stuffing box
Remove engine impeller (drain extra antifreeze from hose)
Check engine hoses
Freshen (file and sand) shaft and prop zincs
Service Max Prop and cover with plastic bag
Open all seacocks
Remove any remaining gear that could freeze (caulk, battery water, epoxy), and clocks etc.
Cover mast and boom with plastic


Fall
Wax topsides and deck
Re-coat teak with Cetol gloss
Top off battery water
Hook up battery charger and equalize batteries
Check deck bolts and keel bolts
Clean mast base weep holes
Grease seacocks
Check steering cables and lube rudderpost
Cover boat with plastic

Spring

Replace engine impeller (new every other year)
Check fuel tank sump


Launch Day Preparation

Paint bottom (then cover rudder)
Un-cover boat
Rig fenders and lines
Put in paddle wheel + depth transducer
Load and/or charge batteries + check water level
Load essential gear
Have mast put out night before
Prep mast
Unwrap
Mount spreaders
Mount spreader boots
Sort out rigging
Apply rigging tape
Mount windex and antenna
Mount lazy jack leaders
Clean mast track with scotch bright pads (bring bucket) and lube mast cars with SAILKOTE


Launch Day

Bring Wind instrument for masthead

After Launch

Caulk under mast boot
Mount sails
Tune rig
Flush water tanks and reconnect water heater
Check all systems and electronics
Check manual bilge pump


Summer (Before Cruise)

Rebuild head (every other year)
Oil cabin woodwork[/QUOTE]
 

u079721

Contributing Partner
Thank you for the extensive list- are you raw water cooled? did you flush the system with fresh?

Thank you!
[/QUOTE]


Nope - fresh water cooled, so I never had to worry about getting the thermostat fully open before flushing with fresh water.
 

Bink

Member I
Ok- So, it is necessary to flush raw (salt) water cooled with fresh water as part of winterizing.
 
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