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    Quote Originally Posted by dvwilkie View Post
    I read the posts about locating the Hull ID. I was hoping someone could post a picture of exactly where they found it their on their E35 in the 1969 to 1972 age range. I have just purchased a 1972 Ericson 35. But I am skeptical of the year because the transom does not have a Hull ID (could have been gel-coated over) and the keel is a full keel like the Mark 1. But the Mark 1's stopped getting made in 1969. The documentation says I have hull #46, but that doesn't seem to exist at least as far as Wikipedia is involved. Is there a registry somewhere? I have looked around the cockpit wheel mount and have not seen any numbers, but I will look harder. If anyone has pictures of where their hull ID is located in the cockpit could they share?

    I'd appreciate any help on this
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    The spreadsheet I have shows the E-35-I was built in 1967 & 68 with hull numbers running from #1 through #45. If they made one more you may have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Metzger View Post
    The spreadsheet I have shows the E-35-I was built in 1967 & 68 with hull numbers running from #1 through #45. If they made one more you may have it.
    Hi Tom,

    I wanted to send you my spreadsheet for comparison and correction and to add this new ericson to the list but I am getting an invalid file message when I try to upload the file.

    Could you try capturing the new hull id and posting your spreadsheet?

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    Thanks everyone for their help. My boat ("Déjàlà") has a hull ID assigned by the Arizona DMV/Game and Fish. The first three letters are "AZZ" which is "Arizona Home Made Boats". The last three numbers are 272 indicating February 1972. I am still in the process of getting the ownership documentation but I live in Arizona so I will research when the boat was first registered in AZ. I am quite sure that this boat has never actually been to Arizona, but it's possible it was on a lake for a while.

    As I said I am skeptical of the Feb 1972 manufacturing date as this boat clearly has a Mark 1 keel. The previous owners said "we were told it was hull #46 by the survey but we have not found any evidence on the boat to support this." The boat has been converted from the original Atomic 4 diesel to a Thunderstruck electric motor (and solar to charge the batteries). The original motor mounts are still there but there is some rust on them. I will check in that area for a hull ID, as well as on the cockpit wheel housing. Pardon my ignorance but I don't know what a "stringer" is, hopefully one of you can help out a newbie .

    I am not sure of the provenance of the boat. The previous owners had it for about 10 years in California and Mexico and it was registered in both Arizona and Canada, and they mentioned one prior owner based in California also (boat was called Désiree then) but I don't know if that person was the original owner.

    For some basic info, our boat is currently on the hard in Puerto Penasco in the very northern part of the Sea of Cortez. It's been in storage for a year as one of the previous owners sadly passed away. We've been getting Déjàlà ready to get back in the water and we hope to do that over Memorial weekend. I'll post pictures of the whole process, should be fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvwilkie View Post
    Thanks everyone for their help. My boat ("Déjàlà") has a hull ID assigned by the Arizona DMV/Game and Fish. The first three letters are "AZZ" which is "Arizona Home Made Boats". The last three numbers are 272 indicating February 1972. I am still in the process of getting the ownership documentation but I live in Arizona so I will research when the boat was first registered in AZ. I am quite sure that this boat has never actually been to Arizona, but it's possible it was on a lake for a while.
    As I said I am skeptical of the Feb 1972 manufacturing date as this boat clearly has a Mark 1 keel. The previous owners said "we were told it was hull #46 by the survey but we have not found any evidence on the boat to support this." The boat has been converted from the original Atomic 4 diesel to a Thunderstruck electric motor (and solar to charge the batteries). The original motor mounts are still there but there is some rust on them. I will check in that area for a hull ID, as well as on the cockpit wheel housing. Pardon my ignorance but I don't know what a "stringer" is, hopefully one of you can help out a newbie .
    I am not sure of the provenance of the boat. The previous owners had it for about 10 years in California and Mexico and it was registered in both Arizona and Canada, and they mentioned one prior owner based in California also (boat was called Désiree then) but I don't know if that person was the original owner.
    For some basic info, our boat is currently on the hard in Puerto Penasco in the very northern part of the Sea of Cortez. It's been in storage for a year as one of the previous owners sadly passed away. We've been getting Déjàlà ready to get back in the water and we hope to do that over Memorial weekend. I'll post pictures of the whole process, should be fun to watch.
    Stringers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dvwilkie View Post
    Thanks everyone for their help. My boat ("Déjàlà") has a hull ID assigned by the Arizona DMV/Game and Fish. The first three letters are "AZZ" which is "Arizona Home Made Boats". The last three numbers are 272 indicating February 1972. I am still in the process of getting the ownership documentation but I live in Arizona so I will research when the boat was first registered in AZ. I am quite sure that this boat has never actually been to Arizona, but it's possible it was on a lake for a while.

    As I said I am skeptical of the Feb 1972 manufacturing date as this boat clearly has a Mark 1 keel. The previous owners said "we were told it was hull #46 by the survey but we have not found any evidence on the boat to support this." The boat has been converted from the original Atomic 4 diesel to a Thunderstruck electric motor (and solar to charge the batteries). The original motor mounts are still there but there is some rust on them. I will check in that area for a hull ID, as well as on the cockpit wheel housing. Pardon my ignorance but I don't know what a "stringer" is, hopefully one of you can help out a newbie .

    I am not sure of the provenance of the boat. The previous owners had it for about 10 years in California and Mexico and it was registered in both Arizona and Canada, and they mentioned one prior owner based in California also (boat was called Désiree then) but I don't know if that person was the original owner.

    For some basic info, our boat is currently on the hard in Puerto Penasco in the very northern part of the Sea of Cortez. It's been in storage for a year as one of the previous owners sadly passed away. We've been getting Déjàlà ready to get back in the water and we hope to do that over Memorial weekend. I'll post pictures of the whole process, should be fun to watch.
    The Mk 1 was a pretty hull and completely different in appearance from the Bruce King design later.
    Have you some pictures to attach?
    Thanks.
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    Possible hull number location.

    Quote Originally Posted by kapnkd View Post
    Hi David,

    Ours is a '73 but am reasonably sure the ID was in the same general area as was yours. It was located at the very upper left side corner of the transom.

    Regrettably our transom developed gel coat blisters early on and was repaired under warranty without regard - thus wiping out the hull ID information. The only other "ID" info we have now is on our original '73 bill of sale and registration documentation issued by the state (FL) at the time. (Gel coat blisters and other issues/problems were common back then, so there's a good chance your boat may have been also repaired at some point and time.)

    ...Keep in mind, fiberglass boats of a larger size replacing wood (such as ours) were relatively new in the market place in the late 60's and early 70's. Our hulls are actually thicker than most of the newer ones as they didn't know for absolute certainty back then how strong the glass actually had to be - not to mention - we were before gas prices totally skyrocketed in the mid 70's and resins were cheap. This forced forced engineering advances in techniques, processes and materials such as Polyester VS Epoxy plus Ericson's "Tri-Axle" grid that also reduced building costs but improved hull design.
    Jon, I scanned the responses you got and don't think I'm repeating myself here when I suggest that you take a look at the underside of several drawers in the boat. For that matter, other bits of interior cabinetry might hold the secret. It was a common shop practice at Ericson to sometimes mark the hull number with a Sharpie on the drawer they were working on. I know as late as 1979 our E25+ had a drawer or two so marked. Slightly off topic, the original holding tank in our E31 had the same tank as the E25+ and was marked as such on top with felt marker. Ronco Plastics made the original tanks and still do for that matter. Let the search begin, Glyn Judson, E31 hull #55, Marina del Rey CA

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    Hull ID on E35 Mark I?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Beach View Post
    The Mk 1 was a pretty hull and completely different in appearance from the Bruce King design later.
    Have you some pictures to attach?
    Thanks.
    Loren

    I'll get some photos in a few days and post them. I agree it's a pretty hull.

    Thanks for everyone's replies. I now know what a "stringer" is! I do have access to the stringers both from the port side cockpit lazarettes and from inside the engine compartment. Any advice on a particular part of the stringer I should look? I will also look at the cabinets and drawers, I believe that these are original. Our boat has the aft berth on the starboard side and the galley (fridge and stove which are not original) on the port side. Somewhat awkwardly the steps from the cabin into the cockpit take you right over the sink. I don't have pictures but I'll post them with the exterior photos.

    I will triple check for a hull ID on the transom.

    Thanks again everyone,
    David

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    As mentioned elsewhere, the only place that the hull number appears on many 70-71 boats is a hand stamp on the tiller deck plate.
    (Mine also had the number sewn onto the mainsail, which was so old that it might even have been original.)
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    Hull ID on E35 Mark I?

    OK, after an extensive check of the boat, I found:
    Transom Hull ID (same AZZ manufacturer code showing 1972 date, which doesn't make sense for the boat)
    Nothing on any cabinetry
    Tiller (wheel) base plate has been painted over, I saw no evidence of any writing or marking anywhere on the wheel housing. I haven't looked under the cockpit yet.
    The engine compartment has a lot of stuff in it, so the stringers are hard to find. The original rear engine mounts are pretty rusty. There is another engine mount that is being used to support the current electric motor. I have found no evidence of a hull ID anywhere.

    I have attached pictures of the boat so you can see the hull.

    David



    Quote Originally Posted by toddster View Post
    As mentioned elsewhere, the only place that the hull number appears on many 70-71 boats is a hand stamp on the tiller deck plate.
    (Mine also had the number sewn onto the mainsail, which was so old that it might even have been original.)
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    As an aside...

    Here is sailboatdata.com on the 35-1. They also have a very nice photo. ( http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1519 )

    The site is responsive to corrections of the information, if anyone takes issue.

    There are a number of stories about the origins of the ERICSON 35-1. One has it that the molds for this, the first of all the Ericsons, were purchased from Pearson Yachts.
    Another version is quoted below:
    "Pearson Yachts decided to discontinue the manufacture of ALBERG 35's at its Sausalito, CA plant. They sent the molds to the San Francisco dump where they weren't broken up, supposedly because the crew stopped to eat lunch. Someone saw them, claimed them, and trucked them down to Orange where they set up a manufacturing facility. Bruce King redesigned the keel, taking out 500 pounds of ballast. He also redesigned the cabin trunk with windows with a shape similar to that of the Columbia's of the period.
    Pearson sued Ericson over the hull. They lost. Columbia sued Ericson over the window shape. They won. As a result, later windows had the same general shape but were split in two."
    The only thing that can be said for certain is that lines of the ERICSON 35-1 do appear similar to those of the ALBERG 35.
    Another, completely different ERICSON 35 was introduced in 1969, designed by King. (Here referred to as the ERICSON 35-2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Williams View Post
    Here is sailboatdata.com on the 35-1. They also have a very nice photo. ( http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1519 )

    Another version is quoted below:
    "Pearson Yachts decided to discontinue the manufacture of ALBERG 35's at its Sausalito, CA plant. They sent the molds to the San Francisco dump where they weren't broken up, supposedly because the crew stopped to eat lunch. Someone saw them, claimed them, and trucked them down to Orange where they set up a manufacturing facility. Bruce King redesigned the keel, taking out 500 pounds of ballast. He also redesigned the cabin trunk with windows with a shape similar to that of the Columbia's of the period.
    Pearson sued Ericson over the hull. They lost. Columbia sued Ericson over the window shape. They won. As a result, later windows had the same general shape but were split in two."
    The only thing that can be said for certain is that lines of the ERICSON 35-1 do appear similar to those of the ALBERG 35.
    Another, completely different ERICSON 35 was introduced in 1969, designed by King. (Here referred to as the ERICSON 35-2).
    Just happened to stumble across this: https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/...591638643.html

    Interesting...
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    Hull ID on E35 Mark I?

    Definitely the same hull design, same wood trim around the cockpit and the caprail, but a tiller instead of a wheel. The cabin windows are more the porthole style than mine.

    I'll reach out the the owner, thanks!

    David


    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Just happened to stumble across this: https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/...591638643.html

    Interesting...

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    Hull ID on E35 Mark I?

    So I was able to get copies of two previous surveys on Déjàlà.

    The survey from 2007 references "Hull number 46" but does not say how the surveyor found that information.
    The survey from 1991 references "Hull number 42 (reported)" but doesn't give any more information. In an earlier email on of you referenced the registry. Is that posted? I'd like to see any information that's available on hull number 42 in case that's the real number.

    Thanks!
    David


    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Williams View Post
    Here is sailboatdata.com on the 35-1. They also have a very nice photo. ( http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1519 )

    The site is responsive to corrections of the information, if anyone takes issue.

    There are a number of stories about the origins of the ERICSON 35-1. One has it that the molds for this, the first of all the Ericsons, were purchased from Pearson Yachts.
    Another version is quoted below:
    "Pearson Yachts decided to discontinue the manufacture of ALBERG 35's at its Sausalito, CA plant. They sent the molds to the San Francisco dump where they weren't broken up, supposedly because the crew stopped to eat lunch. Someone saw them, claimed them, and trucked them down to Orange where they set up a manufacturing facility. Bruce King redesigned the keel, taking out 500 pounds of ballast. He also redesigned the cabin trunk with windows with a shape similar to that of the Columbia's of the period.
    Pearson sued Ericson over the hull. They lost. Columbia sued Ericson over the window shape. They won. As a result, later windows had the same general shape but were split in two."
    The only thing that can be said for certain is that lines of the ERICSON 35-1 do appear similar to those of the ALBERG 35.
    Another, completely different ERICSON 35 was introduced in 1969, designed by King. (Here referred to as the ERICSON 35-2).

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    Apropos of whatever, life for surveyors, owners, and lenders got a LOT easier after implementation of the HIN regulations in 1972.
    Every surveyor that I know does a 'rubbing' of the embossed HIN on a transom just for the record. And if needed, a rubbing of the second embossed one on the inside of the boat.

    More photos and paperwork are required for a pre-HIN vessel to identify it positively... or to show a best effort.
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