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M25 raw water pump..Oberdorfer
I looked up this impeller part for my M25 - 295628. I installed it this morning. My water pump is the one without the c clamp at the end and has the paper gasket. I looked at both the old and new impeller and they both look exactly the same... but, my old one pumps water, and the new one didn’t pump any water at all. Should I run this dry or rev up the engine to break it in?
I feel really stupid right now!
New Impeller, gasket and o-ring for Oberdorfer Pump 202 series
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Possibly the impeller shaft is not connected to the engine.
Is there a shaft spacer with male and female parts?
If so, the shaft may not be seated, even though the housing reassembled normally (this has happened to me).
Take it apart and make sure the spacer (shaft coupler) is all the way in. How it can reassemble without full contact is beyond me, but it can, and does, and so try again.
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Possibly the impeller shaft is not connected to the engine.
Is there a shaft spacer with male and female parts?
If so, the shaft may not be seated, even though the housing reassembled normally (this has happened to me).
Take it apart and make sure the spacer (shaft coupler) is all the way in. How it can reassemble without full contact is beyond me, but it can, and does, and so try again.
Christian, - cool name BTW....
I took it apart twice, adjusted and re assembled - no luck. I then took the old one - has 1 blade 1/2 cracked and put it back in and it primed, and ran great.
My take is that this might be a Globe 815 replacement vs a real one from Oberdorfer? I read they have priming issues...
Chris
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All sounds odd. With the new impeller in place, I'd turn the engine over by hand a few times and make sure the pump shaft and impeller are rotating along with the engine. If so, and it still won't draw water, I'd take the impeller off and make sure the width of the blades is the same as the old one. If the blades don't seal tightly against both the back of the pump housing and the front cover plate, it won't create enough suction to draw water.
My last go-round with a #295628 impeller (purchased directly from Westerbeke) didn't go well either. No matter what I tried, the new impeller would not slide onto the pump shaft (though the old one slid on and off with ease). I don't know if it was a manufacturing defect, a mis-packaged part (the package said 295628), or what, but I was never able to install it. I ordered and installed a Globe 815 instead. The globe installed with ease has worked great ever since.
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All sounds odd. With the new impeller in place, I'd turn the engine over by hand a few times and make sure the pump shaft and impeller are rotating along with the engine. If so, and it still won't draw water, I'd take the impeller off and make sure the width of the blades is the same as the old one. If the blades don't seal tightly against both the back of the pump housing and the front cover plate, it won't create enough suction to draw water.
My last go-round with a #295628 impeller (purchased directly from Westerbeke) didn't go well either. No matter what I tried, the new impeller would not slide onto the pump shaft (though the old one slid on and off with ease). I don't know if it was a manufacturing defect, a mis-packaged part (the package said 295628), or what, but I was never able to install it. I ordered and installed a Globe 815 instead. The globe installed with ease has worked great ever since.
I have found an old one in my drawer that I am going to use right now and have ordered a direct replacement of the old one. I am not sure why the 815 didn't work but I will try again next weekend and see if I rev the engine if I can get water to run.
As of yesterday - no luck with the 815. I did what was mentioned above when I started this Saturday morning.
Thanks
Chris
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This brings up a conclusion I came to slowly.
When I order a "spare" anything now, I put it on the engine immediatety and save the existing part as another backup.
Too many times, especially with old spares, when push comes to shove they don't fit.
I threw away three brand-new alternator belts on this boat. The previous owner had ordered the wrong size, which everyone has done at least once. Looked like I had a full inventory of backups, but--no, they were just a surprise waiting to happen at exactly the wrong time.
My "spare" (new, backup) Oberdorfer pump is now on the engine, and the perfectly good old one is now the "spare."
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This brings up a conclusion I came to slowly.
When I order a "spare" anything now, I put it on the engine immediatety and save the existing part as another backup.
Too many times, especially with old spares, when push comes to shove they don't fit.
I threw away three brand-new alternator belts on this boat. The previous owner had ordered the wrong size, which everyone has done at least once. Looked like I had a full inventory of backups, but--no, they were just a surprise waiting to happen at exactly the wrong time.
My "spare" (new, backup) Oberdorfer pump is now on the engine, and the perfectly good old one is now the "spare."
I have a "Junk Drawer" and to my surprise had an older impeller sitting in the back of the drawer, I also seem to have the packaging that the original impeller came in and ordered one Sunday.... So its in the mail.
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I once had priming problems after changing hoses. I finally had to jam a garden hose against the inlet hose and force water through it, then quickly reconnect that inlet hose and it was good to go. Fortunately I was at the dock. I’m not sure if I had a Globe impeller or not. I have used them in the past with good results.
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I once had priming problems after changing hoses. I finally had to jam a garden hose against the inlet hose and force water through it, then quickly reconnect that inlet hose and it was good to go. Fortunately I was at the dock. I’m not sure if I had a Globe impeller or not. I have used them in the past with good results.
Keith,
have you ever had to take the sliding companionway hood off? I need to know if screws were used or if the P.O. just screwed it down? Seems odd to use screws with a Barrett 20 winch up here
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Chris,
No, I have never taken my sea hood off. I am guessing that it is held on with flat head machine screws and nuts and washers underneath. You may be able to press on the headliner and feel the nuts and washers underneath, though. Give it a try. I will go to my boat tomorrow or Friday and will take a look at it then.
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I have found an old one I am not sure why the 815 didn't work - no luck with the 815.
When I order a "spare" anything now, I put it on the engine immediately and save the existing part as another backup.
Oh damn! I guess I have to install my spare Globe 815 this week to see if it works. I don't normally change impellers often, being in fresh water.
This spring I did change out the raw water inlet hose which eliminated having to pre-fill the strainer for the first start.
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Chris,
No, I have never taken my sea hood off. I am guessing that it is held on with flat head machine screws and nuts and washers underneath. You may be able to press on the headliner and feel the nuts and washers underneath, though. Give it a try. I will go to my boat tomorrow or Friday and will take a look at it then.
Mine have screws... just to let you know. I don’t know why as it has a dam winch in the middle of it. I would hate to have that loaded up and ripped off!!!
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Oh damn! I guess I have to install my spare Globe 815 this week to see if it works. I don't normally change impellers often, being in fresh water.
The Globe 815 works on my M-25XP.
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The Globe 815 works on my M-25XP.
Thanks Tom for the update. Just got another one in so I think I have enough now for the life of the boat. I have 1 good used one , 2 815 that may work and a new one from Oberdorfer....