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Thread: Winch Rebuild: "Barient" Replacement Pawls from Lewmar--just say NO!

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    @ Bruce and Mark: I spent some time running a point of an awl around that surface and it has no edges, grooves, notches etc. It actually seems to be the shoulder of the main pin through the winch. The area that Bruce highlighted (also Christian) is just old dirt :-( There is no locking plate either. Which brings me to...

    @ Tom: The drum says Barient but has no size number. But, I have not found any record of a similar sized 2-speed ST winch and it could well be that this has been "customized" by some PO in the past... I think the suggestion by you and by Christian to give the ST stripper arm a good wack may be the best course.

    If all else fails, I will revert to the isolating tool suggested by Bruce (with a headliner protector, per Christian!)

    I'll get to the boat later this week and report back on my - hopefully - progress.

    Thanks all!

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    Steve,

    On my Barient 23ST (and 32ST), with the top circlip and washer off, you can see the splines on the top of the main shaft and inside the line stripper that lock the line stripper in position radially. The line stripper has to come straight up (with the jaws and drum) to come off and it will not rotate when installed on the main shaft. I don't see those splines on your winch so maybe your line stripper does thread onto the main shaft.

    Be careful banging or levering on the grey cast aluminum parts as they crack easily.

    Mark
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    Some instructions which may (or may not) help

    http://www.arco-winches.com/products/service
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    And these diagrams:

    http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/indexes/winches.htm

    BTW, donít forget to cut a cardboard box out to fit over the base of the winch to catch loose springs & pawls, etc. as it comes apart. It may save them from going overboard.
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    Success!! The winch is disassembled!

    All, especially Christian and Tom - Success!!! A few deliberate but careful wacks on the stripper arm with a wooden mallet freed it up and allowed me to remove the drum! Any day you don't have to cut off nuts is a good day! I still don't know what the model is, but not to worry. On to the servicing now....
    Thanks to all!


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    When I bought Cinderella, her winches hardly spun. When I pulled them apart, I found 2 bent pawls and some springs that needed replacing.

    Being that I was living aboard down the street from Fisheries Supply in Seattle that is where I found replacements. I just used the lewmar pawls under advice from the staff there.

    The winches were back in pepper working order in no time!

    That maintanence lasted me 2 years! I also learned a great pro tip. Simple Green is your friend. Why hurt the liver with kerosene soaked hands?? I can think of way better ways to test the liver.

    There must be something to the sun statement. Or winches were in pretty rough shape by the time we made it to La Paz, MX so I maintained them there. (5000ish nm of sailing)

    I just maintained them again when we were waiting out papagallos in Nicaragua, the "first speed" of my port primary no longer worked. (2000 nm of sailing)

    Turned out to be a broken spring. Thankfully I still had some of those Fisheries Supply replacements.

    Looks like the more sun, the more often you have to take them apart.

    At least I don't have an engine to deal with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgary View Post
    Some of the 80s-era Barients had a locking plate which required a special (Barient-supplied) wrench.

    I've discovered (?) another variant. Or, at least, one I hadn't been aware of and hadn't seen in the online source.

    I removed the two Barient-10s from my cabin-top last night. Manual said there would be snap-rings. There were not. As it turns out, pressing down on a plastic plate at the bottom of the handle socket releases the top plate from the top of the center shaft, allowing the drum to be removed.

    Simple... once you figure it out.

    Adding this to the thread so it is findable for the next time.

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    Something else, too, while we're at it.

    For many years--what, 40?--I carefully hosed down all winches after every sail, like all the rest of the deck gear.

    That doesn't do anything, it is now apparent.

    But pulling off the aluminum drum once a year is easy, once you figure out the personal quirk, for real antisalt irrigation. Maybe a little grease, too. Basically a five-minute job in most cases.

    Here's what they looked like when I didn't:

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