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Thread: Ericson 381 or Ericson 38-200?

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    Ericson 381 or Ericson 38-200?

    The Ericson 38-200 has a recessed central companionway and six cabin-house portlights visible in profile. The Ericson 381 has a traditional companionway, offset, and five cabin house portlights in profile.

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    Both hulls, rigs, keel and rudder are the same. The differences are the result of a modified deck and cabin on the -200 model. In the mid-'80s both options were available simultaneously, although later only the 38-200 was made. The 38-200 provides an enlarged owners cabin (formerly the quarterberth), for which the cabin house was extended and the companionway recessed. The head is moved aft and the galley moved to the port side. The push-forward of the cabin house puts the mast central in the saloon, narrows the midships passageway, reduces the size of the V-berth and eliminates the sit-down chart table of the 381 in favor of a stand-up version.

    Since alternate layouts are compromises of the same available space, preference is personal.

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    Profiles: Top, Ericson 38-200; bottom, Ericson 381

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    This entry summarizes the discussion that follows. Please amend it as necessary.
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    Yup, you have to be somewhat skeptical of what you find on that site (and... others...).
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    I thought the -200 series had a small port aft of the big fixed trapezoidal ports. Venting for the aft head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark F View Post
    I thought the -200 series had a small port aft of the big fixed trapezoidal ports. Venting for the aft head.
    Mark is correct. The aft port light is on both sides.
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    Very good. Let's say that a 38-200 has one more portlight visible in profile than the contemporaneous 381 model.

    Now, for identification, must a 38-200 have a recessed companionway also?

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    I would think so. It seems necessary for the aft head and enclosed aft cabin.
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    Here is another view of an E-38 200 which belongs to another forum member here. I think all the 200s have both the recessed companionway and the additional rounded rectangular port lights behind the big trapezoidal ports.

    https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/sh...T2KbCcHA1D8IDg

    Therefore, the boat in the original picture must be an E-381. It seems to be misidentified. UNLESS the factory made a version of the 200 with the head foreward, to port.

    As Archie Bunker said, "Ipso Fatso."
    Last edited by Keith Parcells; 10-08-2017 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Added comment
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    I wonder if a -200 owner would measure the cockpit seats to confirm they are the same size as those of the 381.
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    In related news, the sailboatdata.com page for the E38 seems to include a photo of a 38-200, along with the (correct?) profile drawing for an E38...

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    I saved this article a while ago I found it interesting; http://www.boats.com/out-of-thin-air/#.WdsC1etHarU

    It's for a 32-200
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    38-1 or 38-2

    My 1986,38-1 has 7 opening ports, 2 in the vee berth, one above the wet locker Stbd, one in the head Port side, 2 in the main saloon and one in the aft pilot berth. I have the offset companionway with bridge deck and the same interior configuration as seen in the second photo ( head forward). We do not like the idea of the head being right next to a galley and aft state room. It's proximity may make the aft head version more readily accessible during rough weather but like I already mentioned that same proximity has other not so pleasant ramifications also.
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    Don, I believe that describes all 381s (the count of "visible cabin-house ports", 5 vs. 6, is just a means of quick discrimination).

    Here is the E381 interior plan:

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    And the E38-200 plan:

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    See also thread "Actual Berth Size" of various Ericson models, HERE.
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    Sailboatdata.com hascorrected their photos and plans for Ericson models 38, 381 and 38-200. If data for your model is inaccurate there, contact randy@sailboatdata.com .
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    Port View of my E38-200.
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    One More Difference

    The 32-200, late '80's 34, and 38-200 all have much lower backrests in the cockpit. I have a '87 32-3. The cockpit seating is much more comfortable.

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