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    Newb looking at an E35-2 for liveaboard cruising; input please!

    Newb here.

    Preparing to retire & go ''liveaboard cruising'' ...minimalist & solo.

    Sailed on & off over the years & owned sport boats such as Mistral 410, Tornado, Super Cat 19', Mega 30 & others ...but this, on lakes only.

    Single hand sailing critaria had me going no more than 32' (Endeavor 32 to be precise) but found a late 70's E35-2 to my liking & budget; it's no spring chicken but quality built & was freshwater daysailed for the last 12 years, at least.

    The E35-2 is on the hard in the Toronto area, I'm in Québec & just about to have it surveyed to determine if worth pursuing any further &, if so, fork out a conditional deposit till driving down for the ''in water' part of the Survey in April & the buy.
    It has an atomic 4 that the seller describes a well taken care of & reliable ...but it's most likely original & hasn't been rebuilt to his 12 years owning it.

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    Come late May, I plan to sail it solo across lake Ontario, unstep the mast once in Oswego then motor the intracoastal canals to Lake Champlain south, step the mast & sail up to Quebec.

    Got one more year to go before retirement; perfect time opportunity to prep the boat & acquire enough knowledge & experience to start the real journey next year.

    Here goes:

    - Anything to look out for on the E35-2? (known weak points, deal breakers etc ...)

    - Feasible to single hand an E35-2 on this route with little experience depending on an old atomic 4 engine even if the Survey results indicate that it's seems to be good to go?

    - Allowing 4 weeks to do so, is it enough starting mid-may or early june?

    - Any idea of fuel costs for this journey? (Gas engine)

    Your input would be much appreciated!
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    The long route

    Are you taking the long route as a shake down cruise. Why not across northern Lake Ontario to the St. Lawrence and on up to Quebec. Can't sail from Lake Champlain up the river and canal to the St. Lawrence above Montreal. You have to drop the mast again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afrakes View Post
    Are you taking the long route as a shake down cruise. Why not across northern Lake Ontario to the St. Lawrence and on up to Quebec. Can't sail from Lake Champlain up the river and canal to the St. Lawrence above Montreal. You have to drop the mast again.
    The St-Laurence was my first choice as it looked simpler at first glance
    but...
    the combination of easterly winds, risks of bad weather in strong currents (even going with the flow) & commercially busy waterway & locks of the St-Laurence route seems much more of a challenge than the Erie canal alternative; ...more so for an inexperieced single handed sailor on a ''new'' old sailboat aiming to anchor out nights as much as possible.

    This is based on my interpretation of bits of info found while lurking on the net & it's all I've had to go by till now; please correct me if wrong.

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    Before setting out on a shakedown, there is probably a significant amount of maintenance that should be done on even a well-cared for atomic4 that has been idle for a while. Change impellers, belts, hoses, filters, ignition components, etc. Old rubber bits will get you away from the dock, then fail spectacularly just when you really need engine power. If you get that far in the process, you can probably get a good checklist over on the forums at moyermarine.com.
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    Locks, locks and more locks

    Navigating all of those locks single handed and having to unstep and step the mast a number of times gives disaster plenty of chances to happen. If you give yourself 4 weeks for the move I'm sure that you'll be able to move on days where the winds are favorable. That and you'll have the current helping as well. Ditto on the pre journey maintenance.
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    Hi. the E35-2 is a great boat! I have the same plan, going to retire next summer 2018, working this year for boat funds, live aboard and taking her south through the ICW to Florida and we'll see (beyond). Currently working and have sold everything already and living on the cheap I'm putting all the funds into the boat to refit the last items needed, ie: electronics, dinghy, new anchor, some misc. items. The prior owner had completed a refit of the major items! ie: chainplates, rigging, new Yanmar, shaft & rudder log.etc. I will also be living aboard an E35-2, I don't see any issues.... Good luck!

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    the locks

    You can't single hand thru the locks;they require 3 on board. (in canada). I got stopped at St Jean sur Richelieu at the entry to the Chambly canal. My understanding is the same for the other 2 lock systems. You might consider getting a captain and Mate to accompany u to Quebec thru the seaway. You wouldn't have to drop the mast; which would offset the cost of the crew to some extent. I suspect it is quite daunting transitting locks with ships like those on the st Lawrence. A professional crew would calm those waters. I don't know the mast height of your boat; but my 34 is 51'; probably close to yours. so it hangs over each end by 8'. I left the mast at a marina when doing the erie canal; didn't see any boats carrying a mast that long except 1 other Ericson; he said he had no difficulties. But when a breeze pipes up as ur releasing the line, the wind can turn u sideways in the lock. I had this happen once; in 100+ lock transits. But if I had the mast on deck, I might have picked up a dent or scrape. Good luck in ur venture. U'll love the boat.

    ps; i get 10 mpg with a 28 hp diesel

    ps 2: that time of year the mohawk river can have a lots of (rushing muddy) water (depending on snow melt etc); My experience found the erie canal closed for a month; check the NY canal system web site for status updates!
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    Looking at the same E35-2

    I'm new at this so please accept my apologies if I breach proper etiquette here. I looked at the same E35-2 yesterday. The owner said he didn't have any offers. Can you tell me why your sale didn't go through? Are there problems with that boat that I didn't see? Has a survey on the hard been done? I am interested in the boat, but I see that a lot of things would have to be added by a new owner and the price doesn't reflect that. I'm hoping you can help if you are no longer interested in buying.
    Thanks,
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    Question

    The person that started this thread has not checked in since.

    You might click on his screen name and just send your questions to him directly at his email or "direct contact" address.

    Is the boat listed with a broker?

    Good luck,
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    Looking at the same boat

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Beach View Post
    The person that started this thread has not checked in since.

    You might click on his screen name and just send your questions to him directly at his email or "direct contact" address.

    Is the boat listed with a broker?

    Good luck,
    Loren
    Thanks. I've sent a private message. The boat isn't listed with a broker. The owner says the broker would charge him $2,500.
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    Is it on eBay or Craig's List? Forum comments on listings are often useful.

    And yes, most brokers charge about 10 percent of the sale price, with a minimum--apparently in this case of $2500 (our local minimum is higher than that).
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    Looking at the same boat

    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Williams View Post
    Is it on eBay or Craig's List? Forum comments on listings are often useful.

    And yes, most brokers charge about 10 percent of the sale price, with a minimum--apparently in this case of $2500 (our local minimum is higher than that).

    It is only on Kijiji for Ontario.
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    E35-2 Toronto

    Quote Originally Posted by Loren Beach View Post

    Yes. That's the one.

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    James,

    The asking price describes a very old Ericson (1972). That's a low price for a big boat.

    A 35-foot boat is a handful all around, slip fees, haul-outs, gear replacement--everything is more than it would be with a 23-footer.

    However, if as the ad says the engine works and the sails are really pretty good and the owner has actually been sailing it, the boat may have its charms.

    It might be a potentially worthy project for a person longing to spend every nickel and all his time on it, and with a personal history of similar illogical but oddly rewarding commitments.

    After spending five years and about 20 grand more, not counting your own labor, you can always sell it for $18,995.

    http://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/city...ationFlag=true
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