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    My stainless tube and aluminum ears had corrosion-welded. Tried for two days to separate them, no dice.

    I cut the ears off, then made a King Starboard overlay which bolted onto the remaining YS metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Williams View Post
    Yep, that's where to start. Just drill them out, new ones later.

    There is no question about our boats that somebody here can't answer, and usually pretty fast.
    Well, I finally got back to the boat to see what is what and I found out something interesting! The four screws turned out to be two perpendicular adjustment rods for the compass compensation. Thankfully, I figured this out before drilling them out! I had noticed that there is a sprung "pin" on the binnacle and had not figured out what it was - until.... I decided to just see if I could lift out the compass unit and noticed the pin move. I pulled the pin and the compass unit came right out, revealing the two compensation rods and four bolts that secure the binnacle to the pedestal. From there it was plain sailing. One mystery remains: I would expect the compensation rods to have a moving magnet or two associated with them that would adjust the field, but I could not spot anything. Has anyone seen a set up like this before and can you tell me how this works, or what my set up is missing??

    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipstreamer View Post
    One mystery remains: I would expect the compensation rods to have a moving magnet or two associated with them that would adjust the field, but I could not spot anything. Has anyone seen a set up like this before and can you tell me how this works, or what my set up is missing??

    Thank you!
    I have the same compass and case. Its a Danforth Constellation Express compass. Your little trick about pulling that spring-held pin in the case was just what I needed to remove the compass from the binnacle. Mine had a 2" bubble in the dome. I've talked to 2 compass shops--the going price to rebuild one is $250-$280. I refilled the dome myself with the appropriate fluid, but both shops said the leak is likely to re-occur. For $250, I thought home-repair was worth a try.

    They explained to me how the compensation rods work. At each end of each rod, there is a small magnet mounted perpendicularly through the rod (the magnets are "inside" the brass end-plates, visible in your photo). The "neutral" position of the magnet is parallel to the horizon. The compensation bars are only meant to be turned up to 90 degrees forward or back. As the magnet is rotated towards vertical, it has a larger effect on the compass. Obviously, one rod is used for N-S corrections, and the other for E-W.

    Both shops said this is a top-notch compass, and that a similar replacement would run about $600.

    I think I'll re-fit mine with an LED lamp when I reassemble it.
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    Thumbs up

    A bit more compass trivia in a blog entry:
    http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...ss-Restoration

    My 2014 experience in a narrow channel handling big rough seas, proved that the card is more readable and comprehendable than the slower-changing heading info on the GPS screen, and mentally it seems to have a faster "acquisition time" for the human eye/brain interface.
    Of course, that might be due to me having a lot to think about at the time... and having an "interface" that has slowed with age...


    Thanks also for the information about the adjustment rods; I kind of wondered just how they work.

    Loren

    ps: when crossing the Columbia River bar, Mr. Greeley had the right idea -- " Go west young man"
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    A bubble in the fluid is caused by a leaky diaphragm. It's quite easy to replace the diaphragm and refill with fluid .

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    I've had my compass removed for a little winter refurb--I refilled the fluid, installed an LED bulb, polished the bakelite case, and I'm refinishing the teak base it sits on. I went to test-fit the parts last night and, OH SH!%, I fumbled one of the 1/4 x 2" screws. It dropped, of course, right down the center of the steering pedestal. I heard it make a solid, metallic "clink" when it landed about 2' down near the base of the pedestal.

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    (borrowed photo, but similar setup--shows where I dropped the screw).

    Short of disassembling the whole pedestal per Christian's excellent instructions above, anyone have a simpler idea for possibly retrieving the screw. A loose 2" bolt laying at the bottom of my steering chain assembly is probably beyond my comfort level for leaving as is.

    Just when I though I was making headway wrapping up the winter projects.
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    The liverwurst case scenario is the missing bolt falls through the slot for the cables in the sheaves box under the cockpit deck. It wont do any harm lying at the bottom of the tube.

    What would happen if it did? Would it jam anything? Will it even fit through the slot?

    I am too responsible to say just leave it there, or that many pedestals have a wrench rusting in them, or that since you know the bolt is in there, you will immediately know what is wrong if something goes wrong.
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    I think there is a hole at the cockpit deck level where the cables go through. I know it's quite small, but could you get a coat hanger or similar tool to snag the bolt and persuade it to drop down where you can catch it? You would have to do this from inside the locker under the pedestal. Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Williams View Post
    The liverwurst case scenario is the missing bolt falls through the slot for the cables in the sheaves box under the cockpit deck. It wont do any harm lying at the bottom of the tube.

    What would happen if it did? Would it jam anything? Will it even fit through the slot?
    You've seen a lot more of the "guts" of the steering assembly than I have. I hadn't thought about the bolt jamming the cables--seems less likely than jamming the chain. My concern is the lower steering chain sprocket. Do you have any idea if the lower sprocket is raised up from the bottom of the assembly or if it's sitting down at the bottom where a stray bolt would be a problem?


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Langer View Post
    I think there is a hole at the cockpit deck level where the cables go through. I know it's quite small, but could you get a coat hanger or similar tool to snag the bolt and persuade it to drop down where you can catch it? You would have to do this from inside the locker under the pedestal. Just a thought...
    Frank
    I tried that a bit last night. It's a small hole and hard to get access to even get a finger in there to feel anything. Possibly, removing one of the steering cable sheaves and the DC wiring would give more access. Might have to try that.
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    Emergency Tiller

    Will the emergency tiller still move the rudder if some idiot drops a bolt down the steering quadrant and jams the main steering mechanism?

    The night wasn't a total failure: When I flipped the running lights switch, the little red LED light in the compass hood came on. Gives the compass card a nice, soft glow. Even if I can't steer the boat, at least I'll be able to tell the insurance adjuster my precise magnetic heading at the moment of impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth K View Post
    .....where a stray bolt would be a problem?
    a while back I bought an "endoscope" from Amazon, for just such events. Pair it with your phone, shove the thing down the hole and you can see what's where, on the screen in the palm of your hand. Very handy...if for no other reason than that it gives you a chance to craft an informed plan of attack before starting to tear things apart.

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    lower steering chain sprocket

    Kenneth,
    Your lost bolt is lying at the base of the tube, which is probably the top of the sheaves box. It is a plate with slots that the cables pass through. There is no lower sprocket on YS as far as I know.

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    Fabulous. I found the bolt. It's sitting right there!

    Ok, the chain-ends link directly to the cables. Gives me much more peace of mind.

    And I like the endoscope idea, paired with a clawed pickup tool. Can start with the neurosurgeon approach before I resort to basic auto mechanics.

    And, maybe move this project off the immediate priority list.

    Many thanks.
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    While we're at it, what is the recommended lube for the chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth K View Post
    While we're at it, what is the recommended lube for the chain?
    I use Blaster dry lube (PTFE/Teflon). I don’t know what the recommended lube is.
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