The time has come to part with our beloved Ericson

[treilley]

Kathy and I have decided to move aboard. Our plan is to live aboard for a couple of years and then do an extended cruise. Unfortunately our 35-3 does not suit our needs for this type of endeavor.

[Sven]

That's both sad and exciting.

Hope there is a larger Ericson on your horizon !


-Sven

[treilley]

Unfortunately, Sven, it will likely not be an Ericson.

[Sean Engle]

Do you have a particular boat in mind, Tim?

//sse

[Sven]

Do you have a particular boat in mind

I hope it is a Norseman 447 or a Sundeer :-)



-Sven

[treilley]

We have been looking at Freedoms.

[CoryBolton]

Those are great boats. I used to sail on one quite a bit.

My only complaint with them was that there weren't enough lines to tweak, but as I get older that seems to bother me less...

[Rhynie]

Any of you sail on an S2 11.0? I have been looking at one this past week.

[ted_reshetiloff]

Alas it was a painful decision for us as well. Made only more painful by the atrocious market (sellers perspective) and the sheer number of E-38s presently listed. We have accepted an offer on Escape Plan, she has surveyed well, and we anticiapte settling in the next few weeks. Then we can begin our next boat search in earnest. We too are planning to move aboard and with two children and the 38 was just not the boat. Not enough room for the 4 of us and blue water cruising gear. Our broker has pointed the buyer to this site so hopefully he will become an active contributor. I only wish more boats had this type of resource. It has been torture getting info on our next boat, Wauquiez 43 Amphitrite 1980-1990.

I will likely remain active on this board as there is a lot in common with systems on boats and you guys are a great bunch to bounce ideas off!

Ted Reshetiloff

[Rhynie]

Ted,
Moving onboard seems to be a trend right now. The S2 that I'm looking at is on the market because the owner is looking at a 42 ?? to live-aboard on.

[ted_reshetiloff]

S2 is an good boat and there are a few here on the chesapeake that race well. Not sure I would pick it over an ericson but I dont know what you are looking for. You should check out a late 80's E-35 mark III. For the money I would pick that in a heartbeat over the S2. Better layout with an aft cabin and aft head with separate shower and better overall construction than the S2. Whats wrong with your 34?

[Mindscape]

We had 2 S2 11.0s in the marina at one time, although I believe they are both gone now. As I remeber they both had some issues with wet decks around the mast. One of them was worse than the other. One of the guys told me this was a known issue and something to check on. Both of the guys liked the way the boat sailed as I recall. All of this is from conversations with the owners, no first hand experience.

[treilley]

S2 is an good boat and there are a few here on the chesapeake that race well. Not sure I would pick it over an ericson but I dont know what you are looking for. You should check out a late 80's E-35 mark III. For the money I would pick that in a heartbeat over the S2. Better layout with an aft cabin and aft head with separate shower and better overall construction than the S2. Whats wrong with your 34?

Ted, I think you are thinking of the E38. The E35-III has a separate shower stall but a more traditional layout with a head behind the V-berth and a open quarter berth.

Be careful with the S2. They made a racing and a cruising edition. The racing boats were usually raced hard and put away wet.

[Rhynie]

Appreciate the responses re:S 2; the one I'm looking at is an '81 and had one owner until about a year and a half ago. The current owner is now looking at a 42 to live on. At first look she is in pristine conditon and he just redid electricals and nav systems and added refrigeration. I am interested in her, but have to move my 34 first, so have a sign on her to see if I get any nibbles. The market is slow, so we'll see what happens and I am happy with my Ericson if the deal doesn't come together.

[ted_reshetiloff]

Settled this morning. I am officially a member of the "I don't own an Ericason anymore but still like this board" group. Had a lot of fun with the boat and learned a lot from this gang. Thanks!

[treilley]

Congrats Ted. We are close but waiting on the survey which will have to wait until I return from our trip to the Caribbean.

We have our eyes on a Hylas 44. We will be going to see one up close April 3rd.

[Mark F]

Nice going Ted. Less than a month to sell your boat. Glad you're going to stick around!

[ted_reshetiloff]

Actually the boat has been listed since last April. It is definitely a buyers market and we are off to RI this evening to look at a prosepective new boat...

[MMLOGAN]

Tim,

I just returned from the Pacific Sail expo in Oakland. I went to look at the 46 and tour the vendor tents. Beautiful boat. This is the second year in a row that I have been hit with "We had a buyer back out, you can take over the deposit, saves you 60K...." Not sure if that is the trend do to current times or a sales pitch. Either way, the more I study Hylas, the more I like them. Would be happy to look at anything in the Los Angeles area if you come across something out my way.

Best of luck to you.

Matt

E35-3 Wind Chaser

[FullTilt E28]

Hylas makes some really nice beefy cruising boats though some of their newer models have some features that are more for looks than seaway functionality like the hook like handles in the galley is one example.

Wife and I spent nearly three weeks cruising in Croatia and discovered Elan Yachts which really impressed us! Think Bendy boat prices with Oyster yachts blood lines. Humphrey Designs all the Oyster boats now and does all the Elan yachts also. Elan's are built with Euro loyd's approved hulls which are very rare in any glass boat now days.

The Elan boats we saw were the impression 43 and 38 which is the cruising boat they had attention to details we have not seen in boats for a very long time. They also sailed very well and their interiors were still functional while at sea which most of the new boats are impressive but after 4-5 days on the move you soon learn that they are seriously lacking in sea way functional interiors. Something the Elan's still seem to embrace. The quality of the workmanship is very good for production boats sold at nearly Bendy boat prices.

We also saw the Elan Performance 450 which we fell in love with! My wife and I are racers and the way Humphrey integrated his Open 60 short handed systems into a very sharp performance cruiser is super refreshing after looking at boat after boat that has the same look and feel to it.

The other maker which was very impressive is the Dufour with the twin head sail which from a cruising stand point is really! Really nice to have you can switch to a small head sail by simply furling one and unfurling another.

The boat options we have in the US are a tad lacking after we saw what is built and sailed in places where sailing is huge. We made the decision when we are ready to find our big cruiser we will go to the Med and find a truly impressive boat vs the very limited and some what aged options that keep being presented at US boat shows.

[treilley]

Thanks for your input Matt and Fulltilt. We really like the Stevens/Hylas 47. It is an S&S design so it is fast and has a great layout. We have yet to see one in person though.

[FullTilt E28]

If you enjoy doing charters before you drop big coin on your big boat. Charter one! Shoot I sailed my little U20 for 6yrs as crew before I bought one. LOL

Our E28 I sailed on three in different conditions before we decided it should be on our shopping list.

So before you get sucked in by a Boat show sales job - get out and sail one for an extended period of time. Best idea charter one for a week or two and have a great trip whats $2000 when your dropping 100K on a boat?

Hands down if you have the time Mid July Croatia is the most amazing charter location you could ever visit. We did Sunsail out of Dubrovnik and had a brand new boat even the older boats were spotless! Regarding Elan's etc while your there take advantage of it and look at them same with the Dufour's.

And do not be surprised if you decide to just stay we almost did.

[ted_reshetiloff]

Tim the Stevens/Hylas 47 was at the top of our list for desireable cruising boats but we jsut could not get there on our budget. One caution with the newer Hylas boats is to avoid the Frers designed versions like the 49. The rudders are poorly designed and not supported fully. I have seen several of them break and evwen more riddled with stress cracks waiting to break. The 47 was originally built by Queen Long in Tiawan and when Hylas took over production they moved the layout a little taking the galley to the starboard side. Not really sure why. Another area to look closely at on these is the bulkheads esp where they are in the bilge. Many of these boats had problems related to moisture there. Repairable but worth knowing about in price negotiations.

[treilley]

Tim the Stevens/Hylas 47 was at the top of our list for desireable cruising boats but we jsut could not get there on our budget. One caution with the newer Hylas boats is to avoid the Frers designed versions like the 49. The rudders are poorly designed and not supported fully. I have seen several of them break and evwen more riddled with stress cracks waiting to break. The 47 was originally built by Queen Long in Tiawan and when Hylas took over production they moved the layout a little taking the galley to the starboard side. Not really sure why. Another area to look closely at on these is the bulkheads esp where they are in the bilge. Many of these boats had problems related to moisture there. Repairable but worth knowing about in price negotiations.

Thanks Ted. Good info.

[Loren Beach]

Not sure what your budget is... but you might want to look at an Outbound 44.
I got a close look at one that was set up for a Pacific crossing and the layout was very impressive.
Best,
Loren

http://www.sailingmagazine.net/boat-test/477-outbound-44

http://www.48north.com/dec_2006/outbound_44.htm

[ted_reshetiloff]

Well my budget would not permit an Outbound either. Very nice looking boats though. I especially liked the storage lockers. We are now the proud new owners of a Wauquiez 43 Amphitrite. She is in Rhode Island and I will be commuting there on weekends in May to prep for the delivery home to Annapolis. Very excited about this boat as she is a true blue water cruiser. 200 gallons of water, tons of storage, lots of sea berths, 3 separate sleeping cabins...

[treilley]

Also outside the budget. We are limited to $200k including delivery and taxes.

Congrats Ted. I also looked at those. We are stuck on the Stevens/Hylas 47 at least until we see one in person. Hopefully we can check one out in Noank in a couple of weeks.

[ted_reshetiloff]

I looked at the listing for the one in Noank. Looked like a nice boat. For what its worth a friend of mine at BVI yacht sales in Tortola sold one of these boats last fall for 165. Good luck!

[treilley]

I am not sure that is the same boat Ted. This one is listed in Jersey City. I think the owner keeps it in Noank in the summer though. It has been for sale for a year or so. I think the name is Back Pages.

The one that sold for $165k was likely a former charter boat.

[ted_reshetiloff]

The one that sold in BVI was Cali II. Her owner prepped her for blue water cruising but after sailing to BVI decided it was not for him. He sold in desperation and moved to Panama. My buddy was the broker on the sale. Its certainly a below aveage price but it is a comp none the less. Definatley get a broker to show you Soldboats.com. You need a password to get in but it will show you exactly where boats are selling, how long they took to sell, and often has notes on survey adjustments if made.

[treilley]

Thanks Ted. That was a great find for someone. I bought my E35 under similar circumstances and felt she was under priced.

I actually have a login to soldboats.com. Not too many recent comps. Although you can pretty safely assume the market is softer now and adjust accordingly.

[Loren Beach]

Strictly in the "FWIW Dept" I had one of my most comfortable uphill deliveries from San Diego to San Francisco on a KP-44. Comfortable even nosing into big seas 'rounding Pt Conception, and that's saying something.
That boat, named Odyssey, is now cruising Mexico.
http://www.sail-odyssey.blogspot.com/

Here is an owners' web site.
http://www.kp44.org/

Anyhow, just some other thoughts to toss into the mix.

Loren

[treilley]

Thanks Loren. We considered the KP boats. The 44 has a very low walkthru to the aft cabin. My wife is 5'10" and I am 6'0". Although I have read that the 44 is a fast boat I think the Stevens/Hylas 47 is even faster.

[ted_reshetiloff]

Closed on our new ride yesterday. She's gonna be a lot of work but I think will serve my family well. I plan to remain active on this board as I figure once a Viking always a Viking...

[lbertran]

Looks pretty cool. Where will you be keeping her? Looks a bit beamy for Hillsmere. Good luck.

[ted_reshetiloff]

Thanks Laura, probably keeping her at Chesapeake Harbor, beam is 13'8" so Hillsmere is out for sure. We'll keep our eye out for you though!